| RESULTS: r/osugame osu! Standard Survey v3 Posted: 28 Jan 2021 12:13 PM PST Thanks for all of your responses! It wouldn't be a survey of mine if there weren't a few missteps, and there definitely were some this time around. Notably, a faulty scale that roughly half of you interacted with for two questions, and a lack of proper clarity on the Skillset section. Among some other things you can read about skimming my comments in the original post. If you want more detailed data, the spreadsheet is here. As usual, I will be commenting on the information in the order it's presented in the results. So if you can, open those in another tab/monitor. I'm not statistician so don't expect anything too detailed; these really are just comments from me. There will be some comparisons to the first two surveys, so here are some handy links to those for the curious. v1 | v1 results v2 | v2 results Section I: Basic Questions Most people seem to have joined in the past few years, with the most common year to join (2018) actually being after the last survey I posted (2017)! That's crazy! I wonder what's caused the boom in popularity these past few years. Mouse players are down from the last survey results and tablet players are up. Perhaps this has to do with the increased accessibility of acceptable consumer-grade tablets? Most people are hybrid players, with alternating players actually outnumbering single tap players this time around by 0.4%! This is a first and really surprising to me. Improvement seems to be a pretty hot priority on this subreddit. Unsurprising really; a group of people dedicated to browsing a forum dedicated to one of their hobbies will probably be more invested in it. Even still, 77.8% is a lot more than I expected past the 4 mark. Most people seem to play roughly 30-60 minutes per day or more on average; that's a lot! I guess with how much people want to improve though, it shouldn't be surprising that 72.7% (...) of you are really taking "play more" to heart. Once again, osu! Mania is the most popular game mode to dabble in outside of osu! Standard. And once again, osu! Catch The Beat is the least popular. I wonder if this will ever change, and what would have to happen for tit to do so. Only 11.0% of you are not satisfied with r/osugame content, with the very slight majority paying no mind to their satisfaction with the subreddit's content. A lot of the "Other" responses are probably better fit for the optional questions at the end of the section, so don't expect it to survive the next iteration. This is the first time I polled pp instead of ranks, but I think that it is a better choice for posterity. This time around, 4,000-4,999pp was the most popular response, with 69.5% of respondents at or above that threshold. So if you were wondering how you stack up to the general populace of r/osugame, there you have it. Both of the optional questions are hilarious to me. People seem to hate memes and scoreposts but others seem to want more of them. I thought it was hilarious that "bad memes" or some variation was a popular thing for people to want to see less of, and "good memes" or some variation was a popular thing for people to want to see more of. It's simple everybody, just be funny. Section II: Beatmap Preferences Regarding percentages, the first number is the percentage of 4-7 responses, while the one in parentheses is the percentage of 5-7 responses. Jump maps were pretty well liked! 71.6% of you said that you felt neutral or better (51.2%) about jump maps. Though I do wonder how much of that has to do with them being rewarding in the ranking system and the sheer prevalence of them. Stream maps actually came in as even more well-liked though! A whopping 78.2% of you said that you felt neutral or better (57.0%) about stream maps. Again I wonder about the correlation to pp, but in this case I think there's a weaker link there. Balanced maps (defined as being straightforward with jumps and streams) were by far the most liked, with an almost unbelievable 98.0% of people reporting neutral or better (92.2%)on them, with the most popular response being a hearty 7/7 (43.5%)! If you want to make players happy, I guess that this style is the way to go. Technical maps got a much wider spread. Even still though, at 77.1% neutral or better (61.3%) reception, they beat out jump maps in terms of subreddit enjoyment. There's just something satisfying about hitting long, fast sliders and crazy patterns. Gimmick and/or reading maps had more positive reception than I was expecting, with 66.8% of people reporting neutral or better (48.2%). This is a pretty broad category though, and the range of definitions people may have for a "gimmick" map makes this question less airtight. Alternating maps rang in at a 77.4% neutral or better (60.6%), which makes more sense to me now than it would have in previous surveys given the fact that apparently more of you alternate than single tap here nowadays. Speed maps came in with a 78.5% neutral or better (60.2%) approval rate. Like the term "gimmick" though, the concept of a "speed" map is more nebulous than others here and likely includes maps like Seventeen RPG as well as Image Material. Rhythm/finger control maps surprised me with 86.2% of people reporting neutral or better (70.0%) on them. For how many of you seem to like them, scoreposts on these types of maps sure do an impressive job of garnering virtually no attention lol. Old maps had the closest thing to a bell curve, barely above the halfway mark with a 56.3% neutral or better (36.7%) approval rate. It makes me sad, as I do love old maps, but I understand the more lukewarm community reception to them. I do wish that the "all old maps are bad" stigma would die down a little more though. Which year is the cut-off for "old maps" to you? For myself, I would say 2012. Short maps had a pretty good approval rate, with 76.8% reporting neutral or better (48.2%) overall. No surprise there really. Maps in the 2-3 minute range garnered considerably more positive attention though, with a baffling 96.9% neutral or better (80.4%) approval rate. I guess the formula to a super well-received map is a balanced 2-3 minute banger lol. Medium and long maps both had a 1-4 scale set for over half of this survey as an oversight from previous ones, so I will be ignoring these and consider them effectively impossible to dissect properly. Extra long maps were the only map in this section (other than the aforementioned erroneously scaled ones) that didn't pass the 50% threshold, with a 43.7% neutral or better (26.0%) approval rate. Personally I think these have really high peaks for enjoyment and especially satisfaction as a player, but I understand the general aversion to such a comparatively intense time commitment. Respect to all of the mappers who produce such lengthy content though. Section III: Skillset As a bit of a preamble to this section, I didn't specify what a 1 or 7 meant here. In the next iteration I will be more clear. Regarding percentages, the first number is the percentage of 4-7 responses, while the one in parentheses is the percentage of 5-7 responses A lot of you cited jumps as one of your stronger skills. And by a lot I mean 79.3% of you (59.8%). It makes sense with the distribution of maps available, their play counts, and their weight in the pp system. Streams were a little bit more all over the place, with 57.4% (34.7%) indicating some level of relative competence. Some of you pointed out that "streams" is a bit too broad, encapsulating maps with 16 object streams and 100+ object streams, but I don't know that making the distinction is particularly worthwhile. Maybe it is though, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Tech maps came in just a tad lower at 54.9% (31.5%). Not too surprising to me, as they may not award much pp relative to their difficulty as jumps and streams generally do, but are probably the most popular/well-liked type of map for whom such a description applies to. Alternating maps sit above both stream and tech maps at 63.6% (43.5%). All of you alternators really showing up huh? I find it a little hard to believe that 57.2% (36.2%) of you consider speed one of your average or better skills. But that being said, I find it easy to believe that I could define it better, so I will concede that lol. I guess there are more rhythm gamers here than I thought, what with 61.5% (38.5%) of you implying that rhythm/finger control is one of your solid or better skills. Unlike speed, I don't know how much better I can phrase this; however, the section as a whole can probably be better phrased, because I simply do not think this is the case lol. High AR reading was not defined, but on interpretation of the question alone, 58.9% of you cited it as one of your average or better (42.7%) skills. With the current pp meta, this is not surprising to me. I gotta catch up lol. Apparently 43.4% of you are somewhat competent (27.0%) at low AR reading (which was also not defined). That's a lot higher than I expected, but I guess that's what happens when I don't define things super clearly lol. That bell curve on hidden is beautiful. No mod is the most universally enjoyed though, with +EZ and +FL being about what you would expect with a gigantic sum of 1/7 reports. No mod is by far the most enjoyed, with 7/7 the mode of that set. Others looked mostly the same, but with fewer 1/7s and more 7/7s. I'm glad to hear that 86.3% of you believe your skillset enables you to play the maps you generally like (74.1% if we wanna get nitpicky). Always a satisfying feeling. It boggles me when people say they "hate jumps and love tech" but look like they've never aimed a 2.00x SV slider in their life lol. All-rounders seem to be more popular here than specialists, with 55.7% of people reporting 1-3 (for reference, "all-rounder" was a 1 and "specialist" was a 7). Specialists (5-7) only came in at 29.9% Interesting. Section IV: Maps & Mapping Regarding percentages, generally the first number is the percentage of 1-4 or 4-7 responses, while the one in parentheses is the percentage of 1-3 or 5-7 responses (context should indicate which). 58.8% of you haven't ever made a beatmap? Get on it! Or at least the 19.5% of you that actually intend to. Unsurprisingly, 1-4 beatmaps completed was again the most popular answer. I would imagine it's just players experimenting with the editor and then never touching it again. This subreddit sure seems to be a real expert on mapping when controversy pops up despite 80.7% of you never modding a beatmap lol. Though I do understand that you can have opinions without having modded something, but for those who work themselves up reading poorly informed opinions, maybe keep this in better mind to chill yourself out (or maybe this is just going to make you more worked up... oops...). I'd hate to be the 24.6% of you who aren't satisfied with the selection of ranked maps lol. This will definitely be a 1-7 scale in the next survey. Surprise surprise, people seem to not like pp mapping. In fact, 81.1% seemed to feel neutral or worse (52.1%). I wouldn't really call most of you you hypocritical if you play them though, exactly. If you want to rank up efficiently, it's understandable to play them. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" as they say. 60.2% of you feel like your ability to play a beatmap influences your opinion on it neutrally or more (46.2%). That's pretty interesting given the responses to the following question lol. There is no way in hell I believe that 54.6% of you can critically evaluate a beatmap decently or better (34.6%) lol. I'm definitely not a pro mapper or anything, but while people may certainly have whatever opinion they want, when it comes to picking the beatmap apart, the arguments and supporting evidence do not hold up from most people in the community (anecdotally speaking). That being said, I don't mean to patronize, as I think getting into mapping and understanding core concepts of it is a pretty arduous and often unclear process. It's a lot less glamourous than playing, too, such to say that for most the journey to get there is a lot less fun as well. This question is a little bit flawed since the responses are inclusive of multiple answers (e.g. if your favourite CS is 4, then you could pick 3-4 or 4-5). That being said, the most common answer was 4-5, which is pretty representative of the fact that the overwhelming majority of maps are mapped within that CS range. Favourite AR was generally in the 9-10 range (74.3%) which probably describes almost every 4.50*+ map in the game, so no surprise there. I will definitely include an "unsure/no preference" answer in the next iteration; not including one was simply a result of a lack of sleep. Regarding the general quality of ranked maps, 74.0% of you seem to think they've generally been the same quality or better (48.3%). Good to hear! Hopefully this trend continues evermore into the future. Regarding the Loved system (in the next iteration I properly refer to it as "Project Loved"), 83.6% of you believe that it's in acceptable condition or better (57.8%). That's great! Thank you to everybody who works on Project Loved! Section V: Performance Points Regarding percentages, generally the first number is the percentage of 1-4 or 4-7 responses, while the second one (sometimes in parentheses) is the percentage of 1-3 or 5-7 responses (context should indicate which). Generally, pp is a pretty good addition to the game according to 59.9% of you. Many of which believe it's more important than not (44.2%). Not very surprising; though I will rephrase it in the future to just be "pp is important to me" instead of "very important" for a more reliable set of responses. pp=skill? Not according to roughly 86.7% of you. In fact, 75.3% of you think it's more false than true. A whole third of you straight up just reported a 1 lol. Apparently 80.1% of plays are weighted decently or worse (63.8%). Ouch. Well, the pp system is open for anybody to contribute to, so if you have the means to suggest systemic (systemic or systematic? I'm not sure which one here) changes, by all means please go for it. Appropriately, about 73.8% of you think that your highest pp plays are not representative of your most impressive. 62.9% think there is a subpar correlation, but hopefully changes to the pp system would remedy dissonances like this. pp mapping is apparently not good for the game, at least that's what about 82.9% of you say. Well, specifically, 59.8% of you think it's bad. Realistically pp mapping will always exist though, but to what degree of exploitativeness and prevalence can be better regulated by all sides of the community. General satisfaction with the pp system is about as good as you would expect given the previous responses. 71.9% of you reported neutral or worse, but the "worse" crowd is still pretty sizable at 44.9%. Going forward, hopefully this changes, but that's going to either need a bigger contribution from the community and/or some sort of unprecedented general attitude change. That rhythm I mentioned earlier really came in clutch here; 32.3% of you SS'd this survey so far! Nicely done! Section VI: Tournaments A quick THANK YOU to all tournament organizers and staff. These great events couldn't happen without you. Wow, 92.2% of you have watched an osu! Standard tournament before! I'm impressed! Though I wonder how many have watched a tournament outside of OWC lol. An impressive 37.5% of you have competed in a tournament before; to the 34.3% who are interested but haven't, get on it! There are always tournaments going on that you can find on the forums. On the flipside, 72.2% of you have never staffed a tournament and would not like to. Well, to the 17.4% of those who want to, I would also direct you to the forums lol. Pack it up, pp is over. 90.1% of you believe that tournaments are an equal or better (78.7%) indicator of skill. Maybe Tom's initial pp system of weighing different skillsets (albeit pretty frivolously) was the pp system we needed all along. It's nice to see that 90.3% of you generally believe in the growth of osu! Standard competitively (79.4% for those who with true faith). I'm in that boat too. Section VII: Music A whole lot of you (82.3%) seem to have had your music taste influenced by the game. I don't blame you, it's hard not to! This will most definitely be a 1-7 scale next time. Bruh, 73.2% of you have NEVER made a music purchase related to music from the game? Um, yeah, change that! Though I do get that a lot of osu! music is Japanese and that accessing those products isn't that easy. Even still! I would at least hope that a lot of you stream them somewhere that isn't the client lol. Sounds like most of you particularly enjoy 20-79% of the music in your beatmap library (73.7%). I'm glad that the mode was 60-79%, that's just nice to hear in general. Though I do wonder how many of you would say that if you judged the music currently in your beatmap library before you started playing the game. Maybe I'll add that to the next iteration of the survey. This was a bit tricky because I didn't really imply which was the independent variable. Well, anyway, 84.9% of you seemed to feel there was not a negative correlation, and 71.9 felt there was a positive correlation. Extremely similar results to satisfaction with maps in the ranked section. Again, this will be a 1-7 scale next time. Survey patch notes. Woohoo. Exciting. Section VIII: Anime Lotta weebs here it seems. 87.2% of you watch anime with Japanese audio and with subtitles, and a pitiful 2.0% watch Japanese audio without subtitles. 6.6% of you watch it primarily dubbed. 4.2% simply have never watched anime before. osu! must be horrible for you lol. I don't really like my phrasing of this question. It'll change in the next iteration. Anyway though, 90.3% of you felt neutral or stronger (81.3%) about the statement "I like anime" lol. Turns out that 57.7% of you have watched an anime series/film/OVA etc. that you discovered through the game. That's really cool! If only the music purchase number could look similar lol. While I am proud of the 48.4% of you for not identifying yourself as a weeb, the 9.0% of you that don't know what it means are based. For the 42.6% who selected the option that they almost certainly couldn't read, and may have actually skewed the results (lol), I assume you said yes. Not just yes though. "Yes, I am trash!~" (thank you Google Translate). mhm Section IX: Miscellaneous Questions I will not be compiling any meaningful information about the open prompts. However, the results can be seen here. Google Forms no longer shows graphs of the most popular responses, so parsing this would require me to write index formulas for a few different columns to fetch anything meaningful which I quite honestly don't feel like doing right now lol. 65.5% of you play maps without leaderboards with some degree of frequency (51.3% reported 5-7, where 7 is "very often"). Most of you don't really have a preference playing to pass or FC, but between the two, FCs won out by 8.9%. According to r/osugame, 1xSB plays are worse than 1xMiss plays. I gotta disagree since I think A rankings are hideous (not that every 1xMiss is an A rank), but I do most certainly empathize. 22.0% of you have never FC'd the tutorial???? What???? Alright then. 7.2% OF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO RRTYUI OR HVICK IS. WHAT. Apparently if it were the will of r/osugame though, rrtyui would be the one to return. One of you said that the pp record at the end of 2021 would be 485pp lol. I thought that was funny, and I didn't even realize until just now that it was probably an Azer United reference. 34.8% of you don't have any IRL osu! friends? :c That actually makes me really sad. I hope you can meet/make some. By a VERY small margin of 1.2%, the prediction that an 11* map gets ranked just barely beat out a 1,500+pp play in the category of "most likely to happen first". Y'all have no faith in the U.S. dropping out of OWC top 3 at all. Which is indicated here, where it is the most popular answer for least likely to happen first by 11.1%. CIRCLE GANG. Spinner fans btfo. I actually can't believe 50.9% of you think that 727 is funny >50% of the time. Actually, I thought about it. Yes I can. Wow, 63.8% of you have bought osu! Supporter before! That's awesome! Honestly more than I expected. I guess most of you think you're okay. But in reality... 48.7% of you think you are better than your pp/rank would suggest! Okay didn't realize we had such a populace of absolute gamers here. Honestly though I can buy it lol. So 62.0% of you really think osu!lazer will be the main client before 2023? That would be cool I guess. rip faith in 5k pp play osu! is (un)officially now rated T for teen Naruto would definitely be a pp farmer I agree. Though the fact that 19.9% of you looked at that list and thought "Gandhi" is hilarious lol. Cake gang get owned pie. Whoa this one was super close lol. 51.2% said they would let a genie magically double or halve their improvement rate... not worth it at all IMO lol. I actually cannot believe how close this one is. 47.8% of you would rather be a veritable osu! God than learn two additional languages? Actually I thought about it and now I can believe it. Sorry for being dramatic. Okay, no way. 37.5% of you are crazy. For all of Superman's incredible feats, he would have literally no clue how to even play the game, and would instantly fail on the first stream. Dummies. LMAO 35.2% of you are absolutely wild. peacock submitted by /u/AndrewRK [link] [comments] |
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